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Sunday, December 12, 2004

Augustine "City of God" Book 4 Chapter 4 Page 147-148

Justice removed, then, what are kingdoms but great bands of robbers? What are bands of robbers themselves but little kingdoms? The band itself is made up of men; it is governend by the authority of a ruler; it is bound together by a pact of association; and the loot is divided according to an agreed law. If, by the constant addition of desprate men, this scourge grows to such a size that it acquires territory, establishes a seat of government, ocupies cities and subjugates peoples, it assumes the name of kingdom more openly. For this name is now manifestly conferred upon it not by the removal of greed, but by the addition of impunity. It was a pertinent and true answer which was made to Alexander the Great by a pirate whom he had seized. When the king asked him what he meant by infesting the sea, the pirate defiantly replied: 'The same as you do when you infest the whole world; but because I do it with a little ship I am called a robber, and because you do it with a great fleet, you are an emperor."

Wednesday, December 08, 2004

Augustine "City of God" Book 3 Chapter 1 Page 94

Now, I see, I must speak of the only kind of evils which our adversaries are unwilling to endure: that is famine, disease, war, pillage, captivity, slaughter and the similar things which we have already mentioned in the first book. For evil men regard as evils only those things which do not make men evil. They do not blush to praise good things yet to remain evil themselves even among the good things that they praise. It vexes them more to have a bad house than a bad life, as if the greatest good for a man were to have everything good but himself.

Augustine "City of God" Book 1 Chapter 8 Page 12

In the same fire, gold glows but chaff smokes... By the same token, when one and the same force falls upon the good and the wicked, the former are purged and purified but the latter damned, ruined and destroyed. Hence it is that, under the same affliction, the wicked hate and blaspheme God while the good pray and praise Him.